Comments on the Joint Declaration with the Pope

Source: Facebook

February 14, 2016

As is well known, on Saturday February 13, 2016, His Holiness Patriarch Kirill met with Pope Francis in the Havana aiport in Cuba, the first such meeting between a Russian patriarch and Catholic pope in history. In the long-awaited meeting the primates discussed a number of issues facing Christians in the world today, and what role their respective Churches could play in regards to these issues. The joint declaration signed by both primates highlights important topics such as persecution and discrimination against Christians throughout the world, poverty, reverence for life and the family, and the ecclesiastical situation in Ukraine, among other issues. While the declaration focuses on Christian unity, it has in fact, sparked debate on both sides, and several voices have already offered their comments. Among those is Fr. George Maximov, a dynamic and tireless missionary priest who has served in mission fields throughout the world, who offered on his personal Facebook page a balanced appraisal of the declaration, highlighting both its strenghts and weaknesses:


To begin with, let me remind those who, already by the mere fact of the meeting, are lamenting: “all is lost, all is lost”: nothing is lost. The canons forbid us to serve with heretics, to pray with them, and to take their blessing. Simply to meet, the canons do not forbid. The patriarch has not become a Catholic by this meeting.

On the meeting

Inasmuch as our patriarch was sent to this meeting neither by the Synod, nor by the Council of Primates (as far as I know), it is, in fact, his personal meeting.

It is good that the meeting passed without any kind of joint liturgical services or prayers. One gets the impression that the pope received the patriarch as an equalnowhere in any of the photos do we see that the patriarch would have agreed to any subordination in relation to the Pope’s position.

On the document

On one hand, there are in the document not a few words with which we can agree. For example, the words in defense of the persecuted and oppressed in the Middle East (§8-10), the criticism of Islam (§13), the words against the discrimination of Christians in the West (§15), the call for rich countries to share with the poor (§17), the condemnation of homosexual indoctrination (§20), and abortion (§21), and that the schisms in Ukraine should be resolved “on the basis of canonical norms” (§27).

But for all of these, there are also expressions which are by no means indisputable, and sometimes erroneous.

For example: “it is our hope that our meeting may contribute to the re–establishment of this unity willed by God, for which Christ prayed … [and] inspire Christians throughout the world to pray to the Lord … for the full unity of all His disciples (§9). In the Church of Christ unity is already achieved in its fullness. Therefore in the Creed we confess faith in “one Church.” It is another matter that from this unity with the Church departed various heretical and schismatic communities. But their members cannot be called disciples of Christ. They are disciples of those who teach perversely about Christ and led them out of unity with the Church.

“We bow before the martyrdom of those who, at the cost of their own lives, have given witness to the truth of the Gospel, preferring death to the denial of Christ. We believe that these martyrs of our times, who belong to various Churches but who are united by their shared suffering, are a pledge of the unity of Christians” (§12). They would be able to be the pledge of unity of Christians only were we to proclaim that all the dogmatic differences in the faiths of the churches to which belonged those who were killed were wholly irrelevant. But to do so, we are unable. In actuality, only unity in truth can be the pledge of unity of Christians, which is not achieved by the suppression of dogmatic divergences, but in investigating them and rejecting those dogmas which are fallacious, for the sake of those which are true.

Cause for concern is the statement that mission work “excludes any form of proselytism” (§24). It is not clear what is meant. For example, within the concept of missionary work there is the definition of proselytism as the carrying out of missionary work by improper means (coercion, bribery, deception). In this sense, we can agree. But I believe that in this document, particularly concerning the phrase “any form,” can be understood that, generally, it is forbidden to guide Catholics into Orthodoxy, which, naturally, is absurd. And the same in the following paragraph: “the method of ‘uniatism’ of past centuries, involving leading one community into unity with another by way of separation from its own Church, is not the way to restore unity” (§25). But if we could guide some community of the Catholic Church into Orthodoxy, it would be for that given community the reestablishment of unity with the Church of Christ, and if it doesn’t happen, then that community remains in a state of separation from the Church.

“Thus, in large part, the future of humanity depends upon whether we will be able in this critical period to bear witness together to the Spirit of truth” (§28). In order for us, together with the Roman Church, to “bear witness together to the Spirit of truth” it is necessary for it to confess the truth and abandon its false dogmas.

Priest George Maximov
Translated by Jesse Dominick



See also
Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia Joint Declaration of Pope Francis and Patriarch Kirill of Moscow and All Russia
Christ is the well–spring of joy and hope. Faith in Him transfigures human life, fills it with meaning. This is the conviction borne of the experience of all those to whom Peter refers in his words: “Once you were ‘no people’ but now you are God’s people; you ‘had not received mercy’ but now you have received mercy” (1 Pet 2:10).
Joint Press Release of the Holy See and the Patriarchate of Moscow Joint Press Release of the Holy See and the Patriarchate of Moscow Joint Press Release of the Holy See and the Patriarchate of Moscow Joint Press Release of the Holy See and the Patriarchate of Moscow
This meeting of the primates of the Catholic Church and the Russian Orthodox Church, after a long preparation, will be the first in history and will mark an important stage in relations between the two Churches.
“You need to get used to Orthodoxy” “You need to get used to Orthodoxy”
Interview with the Orthodox Priest Thomas Dietz, former Catholic
“You need to get used to Orthodoxy” “You need to get used to Orthodoxy”
Interview with the Orthodox Priest Thomas Dietz, former Catholic
Father Thomas, a German raised as Lutheran, converted to Orthodoxy from Catholicism. He will tell us about the driving force behind his spiritual quests and the importance of dedicated insistence upon the Truth. We will also learn the answers to such questions as “Should we say in conversations with members of other denominations that their teachings are heretical?” and “What should our attitude be toward the Branch Theory?”
Castrese Tipaldi2/23/2016 3:27 pm
Dear Andreas, what you wrote it's written.

I subscribe every single word of that statement from St. Maximos, included the word "heretics" that he uses. And how could he not use it? The truth is the truth, how the Confessor (and Metropolitan Athanasius) could not state it?

About how the truth is stated, polemically, with love, hatred or whatever, I consider very prudent to leave that judgement to the Lord, Who alone knows the hearths.
Rdr Andreas Moran2/22/2016 3:19 am
Castrese Tipaldi wrote - 'Do you think that the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Son, the immaculate conception of the Most Holy Theotokos and the infallibility of the Pope (along many other things) are not contrary to the Orthodox dogma?'

Of course these things are contrary to the Orthodox faith: I wrote nothing that suggested otherwise - the Romans are heretics.

In saying that we should not use the word 'heresy' polemically, I had in mind this from St Maximos the Confessor:

“I write these things not wishing to cause distress to the heretics or to rejoice in their ill-treatment — God forbid; but, rather, rejoicing and being gladdened at their return. For what is more pleasing to the Faithful than to see the scattered children of God gathered again as one? Neither do I exhort you to place harshness above the love of men. May I not be so mad!

I beseech you to do and to carry out good to all men with care and assiduity, becoming all things to all men, as the need of each is shown to you; I want and pray you to be wholly harsh and implacable with the heretics only in regard to cooperating with them or in any way whatever supporting their deranged belief. For I reckon it hatred towards man and a departure from Divine love to lend support to error, so that those previously seized by it might be even more greatly corrupted.”

However, this is a comment column, not a discussion forum. If discussion is desired, go to a forum such as Monachos.
Castrese Tipaldi2/19/2016 3:19 pm
The best remarks about the meeting come from father Andrew Phillips:

".....we need not worry about diplomatic and political PR documents signed by clergy, but we do have to worry about the draft document on heterodoxy that is being proposed for the Crete meeting next June, because that claims not to be a diplomatic or a political document, but a document expressing the Orthodox Faith. It is completely unacceptable as it stands because it claims in its first words that there is only One Church, the Orthodox Church and then goes on to contradict that statement in a haze of vagueness."
Castrese Tipaldi2/17/2016 3:48 pm
Metropolitan Athanasius defines Roman Catholics as heretics just because they are heretics. Do you think that the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Son, the immaculate conception of the Most Holy Theotokos and the infallibility of the Pope (along many other things) are not contrary to the Orthodox dogma?

About the difference between heretics and schismatics, it is nothing substantial. Whoever cut himself out of the Church (even because of the behaviour of someone inside or leading the Church) is a schismatic, and whatever his justification is, it’s heresy.
That’s axiomatic: we BELIEVE in the Church!

Provided that, I wholeheartedly agree that they (the faithful more than the hierarchies) are our natural and best allies in the fight against the armies of the Antichrist, camouflaged under "tolerance", "rights" and "values".
Western "democracy" tolerates everything but Christ, recognizes the rights of everybody but Christians and pursues any value opposite to the Lord's Statutes.

After all, there is a millennium of Christian Faith and Communion we share with Roman Catholics and that shared legacy is broken but cannot vanish.
Rdr Andreas Moran2/16/2016 10:08 pm
We should not use the word 'heresy' in a polemical way, to the face of the Romans, and we should try to discern what is heresy and what is schism: as to the difference, see the letter of St Basil the Great to Amphilochius. But in an article on this site (and elsewhere) we see that the highly esteemed Metropolitan Athanasius of Limassol describes the Romans as heretics.
Castrese Tipaldi2/16/2016 3:39 pm
Heretic is not a medieval term, Dick. It was used already in apostolic times by the Holy Fathers.

Christ is the same today, yesterday and forever!

About "differences of opinions" then..... well, you just do not get it, Dick, isn't it?
Of course, how could you....
Paok2/16/2016 1:19 pm
The term heresy is from Greek , and it is very applicable today just as it was in the 1st century when false teachers and heretics were threatening the Church of Christ with HERETICAL teachings. Christ's truths are eternal therefore those who oppose His truths today are to be placed in the same category as those who opposed His truths 300, 400 or even 1700 years ago! It simply does not matter what you think Mr. Clark nor does modernity determine Christ's truths and how His body (the church) proclaims that truth. If you choose to reject something simply because you find it "outdated" then I pity you. God help us all!
Rdr Andreas Moran2/15/2016 10:52 pm
I agree with Paok that this piece is well balanced. As to Dick Clark's comment, the term 'heretic' is not medieval but describes one whose faith is not Orthodox; a difference in faith is much more than a difference of opinion - it is a difference of belief. The Church takes no pride in being the One, Holy Catholic, and Apostolic Church but is aware of its being the Body of Christ and of its possessing the fullness of truth and so is aware of its responsibilities.
Michael Pastukhov2/15/2016 10:05 pm
Спаси Господи!
Paok2/15/2016 8:20 pm
Amen! Thank you, Father for your sobering and well balanced response to the Patriarch's meeting with the latin heretic. God help us all!
Dick Clark2/14/2016 9:01 am
You still use medieval terms like "heretics" do describe differences of opinion? There is no hope. Pride goeth before the Fall.
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