The Pro LGBTQP "Orthodox"

The Birth of a New Religion, Part 2

Part 1


The fact that today we have people openly promoting the LGBTQP agenda in the Orthodox Church is something that was unthinkable less than a dozen years ago. But here we are. They are vocal minority to be sure, but like most leftists, they try to convince people that their opponents are the minority, and they are only motivated by hate.

The tactic that the Pro-LGBTQP "Orthodox" have generally taken to promote their agenda is to pretend that the only people concerned about what they are pushing are "fundamentalist" converts. The suggestion being that somehow prior to the time when Americans began to convert to Orthodoxy in large numbers, everyone in the Orthodox Church was fine with the idea that homosexuality was an acceptable lifestyle. Back then, they would have us believe, no one would have objected to embracing transgenderism, or any of the other limitless "sexual preferences" and "gender identities." This is of course complete nonsense. Not only was no one pushing for the acceptance of homosexuality in the Orthodox Church prior to 2009, no one in the Orthodox Church was even contemplating the acceptance of transgenderism, and most had never even heard of it.

Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder by the American Psychiatric Association until 1973, when activists pushed the organization to change this designation. It was only in 1987 that homosexuality was completely removed from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It was in the wake of the AIDS epidemic, which began in 1981, that the acceptance of homosexuality in the wider culture began to increase from something which previously had been close to non-existent.

Fr. Alexander Schmemann is not usually thought of as a fundamentalist convert, and yet one of his students told me that around 1981, he made the statement "I refuse to be the dean of a seminary of pot-smoking homosexuals." This was in the context of him having actually kicked a pot-smoking homosexual seminarian out of the seminary, and so these were not idle words.

If you look at the views of the Orthodox in traditional Orthodox countries even today, you don't find them embracing homosexuality or transgenderism either -- this is true of their populations as a whole, but it is all the more true when you consider those who actually go to Church.

I have been blogging since 2004, and the first article I have in which I felt a need to respond to the push for gay marriage was in 2009, and this was completely without reference to any dispute within the Church, because at that time, there was no such dispute. I suspect that this began in 2009 because prior to that, George W. Bush had successfully used the issue to win his second term, by ensuring that there were ballot measures in swing states that banned gay marriage. But after Obama was elected, apparently people on the left felt emboldened, and so the push began. And it was only in 2011 that I began to see Orthodox Christians who were pushing for the acceptance of homosexuality. Initially, this was mostly done anonymously, or in private discussion groups.

2013 was the year that the Supreme Court struck down the Defense of Marriage Act, and forced every state to allow for gay marriage. Many dismissed the significance of this at the time, but two things happened almost immediately as a result of it -- this strengthened the general push for the acceptance of homosexuality, and no sooner had gay marriage been forced on the country did the push for the acceptance of transgenderism begin in earnest.

2014 was the first time to my knowledge that an Orthodox priest began to publicly push for the acceptance of homosexuality. In November of 2014, Fr. Robert Arida posted an essay to the official OCA website. After being overwhelmed with complaints, the OCA removed the essay, though you can still read it via the Internet Archive. Among the many statements which responded to this essay, the Orthodox Clergy Association of Houston and Southeast Texas wrote a rebuttal, which was signed by almost of all the clergy in the Association (and was signed by all who were present at the meeting which discussed it). This rebuttal was reposted on the Greek Archdiocesan website at the time.

In 2015, the City of Houston tried to push through an ordinance which would have forced churches and businesses to allow men who identify as women to use women's restrooms. Again, the Orthodox Clergy Association issued a statement against it. The ordinance was overturned by a referendum, and it was mostly Black and Hispanic churches in Houston that led the fight against it. Houston is about 44% Hispanic, 24% White (Non-Hispanic), 22% black, and 7% Asian, and so it was not a bunch of racist White people who overturned this ordinance. The vote was not even close: 61% opposed to 39% in favor.

Onto the scene came George Demacopoulos and later, Public Orthodoxy. George wrote an essay attacking those he termed Orthodox Fundamentalists on January 29th, 2015. I wrote a reply, and we later had a sort of debate hosted by Kevin Allen on Ancient Faith Radio. Since then, George has made attacking anyone who is not ready to embrace homosexuality, transgenderism, modernism, and a whole host of other perversions a career through his website Public Orthodoxy, which is a part of the Fordham University Orthodox Christian Studies Center, which has been formally endorsed by the Greek Archdiocese.

If you look over the archives of Public Orthodoxy, you will see that it has produced a steady stream of articles that defy almost every aspect of Orthodox Christian morality, and as a matter of fact they regularly argue that while dogmatic issues (which they define as being limited to strictly theological matters) are beyond debate, moral issues are not dogmatic, and therefore up for revision. This is a completely novel approach, and one that is heretical and contrary to the clear Tradition of the Church.

Most recently, the former Chancellor of the OCA, Fr. John Jillions gave a lecture for the Orthodox Theological Society in America, in which he bemoaned those Orthodox "fundamentalists" who are unwilling to dialogue on matters such as homosexuality and transgenderism. He argues that we cannot judge such matters "before the time," which will apparently only come when (so they hope) they finally wear everyone else down with their endless pressing of their agenda and we let them have their way. The problem is that these issues are not up for debate. Not only are the Scriptures clear on these issues, we have numerous canons from Ecumenical Councils, and the clear and unified testimony of the Fathers and Saints of the Church which leave no room for doubt as to what the Church has always taught on these subjects. In this lecture, you see the same kind of mealy-mouthed argumentation that we found in the essay by Fr. Robert Arida, but as time goes on, they are becoming more emboldened. One has to wonder how long their respective bishops will put up with this, but I think at this point, we have to conclude that at least some of the bishops in question allow this to go on because they agree with it. (You can view the video here.)

Now if people like Fr. John Jillions wanted to dialogue about how to deal pastorally with people who are struggling with these sins, in order to help them overcome their sins, that would be a dialogue worth having. But you can't have that dialogue with people who are unwilling to concede that we are talking about actual sins. That has to be the starting premise. And to be clear, this is the point that they refuse to concede. In fact, they will almost never provide a direct answer to a direct question on whether or not these things are inherently sinful -- and that is for the simple reason that to say what they actually believe would put them in an indefensible position, and would force their bishops to do something about it.

We are not opposed to the LGBTQP agenda because we hate those who have been sucked into going along with it. We are opposed to it because this agenda is destructive to these people. As St. Paul tells us, these things are contrary to God's created order, and as such, they can only lead to great misery and the destruction of souls. St. Paul tells us that homosexuals and the transgendered (i.e. effeminate) will not inherit the Kingdom of God:

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [malakoi], nor sodomites [i.e., homosexuals, arsenokoitai], nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God" (1 Corinthians 6:9-11).

Not inheriting the Kingdom of God is pretty big deal, if you actually believe in God, and so if you love the people struggling with these issues, you would want to help them to repent and overcome them, rather than affirm them in a choice that will lead to their spiritual deaths.

I hope I am wrong, but I believe we are witnessing the unfolding of a full-blown schism. It will not just be over abortion, or over the LGBTQP agenda, or over the other issues we will be looking at, but each of these are pieces to the larger puzzle. If a schism is to be averted, it will only be averted because bishops begin to find their backbones, put their collective foot down, and put a stop to the spreading of these false and destructive teachings.

Update: Someone has put together a very useful video that provides an overview of what has been going on in terms of the push for the acceptance of LGBTQP ideology in the Orthodox Church, particularly in the English-speaking world:

You can view the video here.

The same channel has a 4-part video series that covers the same ground, but provides some additional footage that is very helpful.

Update 2: This is a film that focuses on who is funding the groups promoting the LGBTQP Agenda in the Orthodox Church, called, The Secret Subversion of American Orthodoxy.

Anton11/29/2022 3:54 pm
The promotion of abortion, homosexuality, assisted suicide and similar things by the modern establishment shows that people who nowadays rule the West subscribe to a concept of morality which is diametrically opposed to Christian morality. It is not simply unChristian, it is manifestly anti-Christian. And who opposes Christ? None other than satan. Thus, all proponents of this new morality serve the devil, even if they are unaware of his existence. It is painful beyond words to see not just "Orthodox Christians", but those who consider themselves "Orthodox priests and bishops" to join the cause of the devil. Unless all such "bishops", "priests" and other "clergy" either publicly repent or are excommunicated, the Orthodox Church will suffer enormous harm and will experience great tribulations.
Susan11/21/2022 12:25 pm
Afanassy: Still, it's not good. Anything that leads to dehumanization is not good.
afanassy11/21/2022 4:25 am
Susan - - - Thank you for your response. My choice or wording was intentional, and intended to be forceful. You may not realize the magnitude of this betrayal of Our God. This LGBTQ+ movement is a cancer of unprecedented proportions in all societies, -- even those that are not fully Christian and have no idea of the Tsunami of Deterioration that awaits them. It must be stopped. NOW. (One of three definitions for "vermin": "people perceived as despicable and as causing problems for the rest of society. 'the vermin who ransacked her house.'" [Ref: Google]. Check it yourself.) ===============================
Susan11/20/2022 4:25 pm
Afanassy: We should never call anyone "vermin", no matter who they are. That is dangerous--it's dehumanizing. They are not vermin, they are human beings--fallen, but aren't we all?
Afanassy11/19/2022 9:42 am
Fr. John has said, "We are not opposed to the LGBTQP agenda because we hate those who have been sucked into going along with it. We are opposed to it because this agenda is destructive to these people." This is not quite the case. We are opposed to the LGBTQ+ movement and practice because: (1) It is a direct and deliberate violation of Holy Scripture, making a mockery of the Holy Spirit [1 Cor 6:9-10]; 2) It is a direct and deliberate violation of Canon VI of the 92 Canons of St Basil the Great, accepted universally; 3) It is a direct and deliberate violation of Tradition and Standard of Proper Conduct of One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, extant for 1900 years; 4) It is NOT relevant if it is destructive to these unrepentant sodomite practitioners, -- their fate is already sealed -- it is DESPERATELY relevant to our CHILDREN, the young and impressionable, who are being led down the pathway to Hell by these vermin. Perhaps only the Russian Orthodox Church has the spiritual integrity and power within Russia to stop this societal disintegration into the Abyss. The Orthodox in America certainly can't do it. ==========================
Abraham Hister11/19/2022 5:17 am
Brothers and sisters, always remember 1 John 2:9 "Anyone who claims to be in the light but hates a brother or sister is still in the darkness"
Ben11/15/2022 7:19 am
The Living Church is alive and well in the West today and is doing all it can to subvert the teachings of the Church. Thank God we have strong voices to combat them and stand against this type of nonsense.
Steven A hensley11/15/2022 5:40 am
I pray that the Orthodox churches stand firm. As a Roman Catholic, I am watching with despair the self-destruction of my own communion. Please resist the evil, and above all, do not enter into "dialogue" with these deviants. I have come to hate the word dialogue. You cannot dialogue with the father of lies.
Mark Dankof11/13/2022 9:28 pm
Mark Dankof to Global Orthodox on Sunday, November 13th, 2022: If Archpriest John Whiteford is available to come on my RBN radio show in Texas and my London edition, I’d really like to feature his work and witness, your site, and expose my listeners to Orthodox Christianity. I can be reached at Show from November 11th as a sample:
Ioann11/13/2022 4:33 pm
“For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.” 1 Corinthians 11:18-19. There is nothing new about this teaching and there have always (since the beginning of the Church) been apostates and heretics within the Church that arise, form their own religions, and then leave. Culture Warring Evangelical Protestant style across the worldwide web is like secondary infection that occurs after a primary sickness has been diagnosed. Orthodox Christians should save their wrath for the real enemy, the Devil.
Lewis Luckenbach III11/13/2022 8:00 am
I personally know Fr John. I know him through the Orthodox church. My family goes to St Joseph Orthodox Church in Houston. My daughter met her husband at Fr John's church, St Jonah, at an Orthodox function. Fr John is very spot on. We need to fight against these evil ideas, spawned by Satan, trying to subvert our faith. Fr John, keep up the great fight against the homosexual and LGBT agenda. I am with you too.
AS11/12/2022 6:59 pm
Fr. John wrote: "The suggestion being that somehow prior to the time when Americans began to convert to Orthodoxy in large numbers, everyone in the Orthodox Church was fine with the idea that homosexuality was an acceptable lifestyle." Yes, and thereby they undo their own propaganda regarding the claim of all those 'oppressive patriarchal societies' pre-dating this demonic gender nonsense.
Reader John11/12/2022 3:59 pm
Minor correction to your chronology. The Defense of Marriage Act was almost completely overturned in 2013 (U.S. v. Windsor), but the mandate for same-sex marriage everywhere didn't come until 2015 (Obergefell).
Paul11/12/2022 2:59 pm
I believe a schism is almost inevitable. Our Lord warned against these destructive teachings. I agree entirely with Fr John that these matters are settled. In fact I think the biggest mistake made by many Protestant, Catholic and now sadly Orthodox is that they enter into “dialogue” with these groups rather than provide living yet clear and unambiguous rebuttals. In my view these so called dialogues are a satanic means of infiltrating the church. They sound harmless and innocent (“what’s wrong with dialogue?”) but that isn’t what they are actually after. That’s just the way to sneak in the door. The problem is once these poisonous teachings are allowed a platform, they gradually spread like yeast among the leaven.
SBDN Thomas11/12/2022 12:10 pm
The left loves useful idiots. The gay agenda is just a tool to subvert the Church. Communism is the political party is Satan May we all repent before God comes and judges the world with rightness.
Fr William Bauer PhD11/11/2022 10:51 pm
I spent several years working to convice the Anglican (Episcopal) Church to realize that female priests are not possible. As you know the attempt at commohn sense was not accepted. Today I am a Priest in ROCORs Western Rite. I seen more and more claims about homosexual behavior along with the idea of convincing people that the LGBT claim is on its way to legal protection via civil rights. My parish is looking at becoming a private membership place which will allow those attedning to be protected from those who might demand that we accept such as cattechumens.
damjan11/11/2022 1:15 pm
God help them and forgive them for they do not what they are doing.
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